I'm okay with that

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 12:45PM by jenzene 4 Comments - 93 Views

So I heard Woody on the radio (I have a love-hate relationship with The Woody Show on Live 105 in San Francisco) say that McCain is a hero. "Just look at what he went through as a POW" or something to that effect.

It's hard to know where the truth is nowadays. The only news outlets I find worth reading nowadays are BBC and the Associated Press.. except the latter is scattered across a hundred newspapers so I have to click and click and click and click to get the news. Lately, when it comes to politics, I've been reading less of what I used to (Huff Post, NYT, CNN) and more of neutral-party sites like FactCheck.org. Thank goodness someone came up with that because Democrats and Republicans alike can go to that site and also PolitiFact and get their information without accusing somebody (or everybody) of bias.

Anyway, after hearing that on the radio, I thought about that Rolling Stone article I read that revealed so much about John McCain. A hero? Let's see what Tim Dickinson had to say:

1) "Although he would soon regale The New York Times with tales of the heroism of the brave enlisted men who "stayed to help the pilots fight the fire," McCain took no part in dousing the flames himself. After going belowdecks and briefly helping sailors who were frantically trying to unload bombs from an elevator to the flight deck, McCain retreated to the safety of the "ready room," where off-duty pilots spent their noncombat hours talking trash and playing poker."

2) "McCain performed adequately on the Oriskany. On October 25th, 1967, he bombed a pair of Soviet MiGs parked on an airfield outside Hanoi. His record was now even. Enemy planes destroyed by McCain: two. American planes destroyed by McCain: two."

3) "But during the course of his medical treatment, McCain followed through on his offer of military information. Only two weeks after his capture, the North Vietnamese press issued a report — picked up by The New York Times — in which McCain was quoted as saying that the war was "moving to the advantage of North Vietnam and the United States appears to be isolated." He also provided the name of his ship, the number of raids he had flown, his squadron number and the target of his final raid."

4) "'John allows the media to make him out to be the hero POW, which he knows is absolutely not true, to further his political goals," says Butler. "John was just one of about 600 guys. He was nothing unusual. He was just another POW.'"

5) "'It took guts to go through that and to come out reasonably intact and able to pick up the pieces of your life and move on," says Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff, who has known McCain since the 1980s. "It is unquestionably a demonstration of the character of the man. But I don't think that it is a special qualification for being president of the United States. In some respects, I'm not sure that's the kind of character I want sitting in the Oval Office.'"

Yes, he was a hero- he did shoot down two enemy planes, after all. So were the other 600 guys who were imprisoned in Hanoi. That doesn't make him any more qualified than Barack Obama. Yes, McCain has significantly more Senate experience than Obama- that SHOULD make him more qualified, right? Well, this maverick has changed his game since his run for the White House began- so much for being a maverick, eh?- and condoned mudslinging (by not speaking out against Sarah Palin's mudslinging) even though very early on he spoke out against it, and THAT negates his edge over Obama, IMHO.

Oh, and the TV ad he approved that put Paris Hilton's and Britney Spears' pictures next to Obama's picture. Don't call me childish and then say that THAT move isn't childish. If you are a McCain supporter, please explain that ad to me. It's okay to say that it doesn't make sense; that's an explanation too.

The whole "it's time to have a hockey mom in the White House" gag is getting old and lame. I have known plenty of soccer moms (I was a Girl Scout, after all- plenty of Girl Scout moms too!), but they were all very active and effective in their communities and the various committees and councils for school, local government, etc., but that doesn't mean they should all run for mayor or governor or VP! I remember Morgan's mom studied political science in college. Nikki's mom graduated from college too. Gee, both of them probably would make a much better VP than Palin! *LOL*


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As I was saying (yesterday even)...ahem. Thanks for posting this...I don't have the strength to gather this stuff back up like I did THE LAST ELECTION! You should hear how much current Air Force pilots respect him...Not.

He'll run forever if he has to...like a college senior with no major and rich parents.
I'd rather have a mother like Michelle in the White House personally.
Great factual post jenzene!!

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 2:44pm

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1. Rolling Stones has never nor will it ever be known for "journalism" nor being unbias. It's a music mag and holds no creditability for being anything but a music mag.
2. I find it funny that the best the Obamanite writer can come up with against McCain is to attempt to discredit his military service. While Obama has Rezko, Ayers, Wright, Alinsky, Farakhan, etc. Lets not forget that Obama never even considered serving our "down right mean country" (his wife's words).
3. The Spears/Hilton ad is no dirtier than any of the ads Obama has released against McCain. Do you speak Spanish? You should watch the horrible ad Obama released to the Mexican audience.
4. I did not "spam" you - I merely separately listed my retorts.
5. To be clear - McCain has considerable more experience than Obama. He was first elected to the U.S. House of Representatives in 1982. After serving two terms there, he was elected to the U.S. Senate from Arizona in 1986.
6. Palin is more than an average soccer mom. She was a member of the Wasilla, Alaska city council from 1992 to 1996 and mayor from 1996 to 2002. She was elected governor of Alaska in November 2006. If you are going to compare her years of service to anyone it should be to Obama (and his 129 presents).

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 4:58pm

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jenzene I found this...
http://www.politicor.com/

“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”

McCain lost five U.S. Navy aircraft through shear stupidity and negligence.

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain III should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain III would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

His father John S. “Junior” McCain was commander of U.S. forces in Europe later becoming commander of American forces in Vietnam while McCain III was being held prisoner of war. McCain III’s grandfather John S. McCain, Sr. commanded naval aviation at the Battle of Okinawa in 1945.

During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain III lost five U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat.

(goes on quite a bit longer...)

It's like if Barack Obama had cheated on the LSAT or bar exam...only he didn't. shrug

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 8:20pm

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And unlike Tom Cruise's character in Top Gun 'Maverick' he didn't stay in long enough nor improve to become a pilot worth his salt... yet he relishes the nickname of a fictional character in a movie...much like his hero status is fictitious.

Fri, 10/10/2008 - 8:29pm


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